JAMAICA, New York (Aug 8, 2009) – Instead of making any moon sighting decisions, the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) has decided to guide its members and the general Muslim community to celebrate the beginning of the month of Ramadan and the Eid holidays with their local masajid, communities and Islamic centers. 

ICNA would like to see more harmony and unity among the Muslim community at a local level. We hope that American Muslims will observe the month of Ramadan & the Eid holidays with full piety and dignity—making dawah to our neighbors, co-workers and friends as we embrace this joyous season.
We pray that Allah (SWT) showers you and your families with blessings. Please keep us in your prayers and accept our warmest congratulations on this blessed occasion!

143 Responses

  1. Salam
    To show unity is the most important spirit in all our prayers which unfortunately has been a problem amongst muslims in north america .As ICNA decieded to be more flexible in this matter but we still want to know what is right in the light of Muhammad’s ( PBUH) teachings

  2. Salam Brs and Srs,
    Ramadan Mubarak.
    The first thing we have to figure it out, in my opinion, is, or let me put it this way, the biggest question is ” Should we relate Unity to Moon sighting or to celebrate EID one day?” If v look back v dont c any examples at the time of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) or ammong sahabas, that they were worried about unity and moon sighting because history tells us they conquer more then half of the world sighting moon locally and starting ramadan and praying eid prayers according to their local moon sighting.That’s what I think but I also think that things can be done differently here in USA, without crossing the lines but for that we have to work very hard and in my opinion the first best thing to do is start showing up in our masajids for 5 times prayers like we go for Jummah and start getting to know each other better.
    Masslam and Fi Amaanillah

  3. yes i understand the convenience of celebrating our holidays on a local level. However it is Sunnah to determine fasting from sighting the moon, or make a 30th day of shabaan if the moon is not visible. This is our Islamic custom, and part of our Muslim identity. We should fast if we see our ‘Local sighting” in my opinion

  4. why we spend Ramadan in fasting? for the sake of ALLAH, so now why we are arguging all the time for moon, why we dont forget our differences and get together and decide when start Ramadan Karem all together and spend eid on same day, why we can’t forget our differnce and unite and show the true face of Islam to non muslims and tell them how organized and well behaved we are, instead of doing any good deeds we start our holy months with problems, come on guys and our all ULAMA’s get united and give us a peace.

  5. same thing in local masques, they called each other u are wahabi, ur hanfi ur this and u r that, why we can’t be muslim why we fight for moon, just follow MAKKAH if they called ramadan so its ramadan go with thier decission and if the do wrong, they are going to be judge on the day of judgement but atleast we all will be on same page on every occassion, and world will know that this day is the starting of Ramadan and this is the day of eid…………….and easy to represent ISLAM to non muslims

  6. Salaamualaikum…
    Everyone refers to celebrating Eid according to their local areas… This works for Islamic countries, but in the west where the muslim community is from the whole world this does not work.
    What is local? In populated areas, there are mashallah lots of mosques.. A mosque in one block starts Ramazan today, the mosque 10 blocks away is still thinking, and awaiting guidance from their ‘mothership’ mosque….
    What we really need is ‘local committees’ with members from all nationalities that reside in the area… and then decide on Ramadaan/Eid for the whole state/county/city regardless of national origins of the managements of the mosques…. so that all mosques within a county celebrate Eid on the same day.

  7. I am really disappointed by the ICNA’s decision on moon sighting. With due respect, can I ask why is it always so difficult to follow sunnah and Quran? One of my brother here said that we should follow saudia? My question is why? Are we following them for salat too, or anybody heard or read a hadith which instruct us to do so?
    I don’t understand why the simplest method of sighting the moon with the naked eye cannot be followed which is by the way told in hadith. We used to Follow ICNA for moonsighting as they were following the correct method. Why the people following the sunnah are blamed for creating disunity and not those who are actually doing innovations in deen.Please follow this link and you’d understand my point if I am not clear here.

    1. I totally disagree with the ICNA decision. Instead of making it easy, now we will have more difficulties and disputes. May Allah guide us to follow Quran and Sunnah of our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH)

  8. Salam to all
    May Allah guide us to the right path & unite us following Quran & Sunnah not the innovations(Calculations or Mecca based)unless this is approved by Jamhoor E Ulemma as Ijmaa(Joint decision of Islamic orgs not just one.
    There are evidences & facts that our beloved Prophet(in Mecca/Madina), His caliphs after His death & in Islamic History: All Islamic/Lunar months, Events(Fastings: Ashura, Arafa,13-15th Shaabaan)& EIDS:Fitr & Adha)were observed according to LOCAL Moonsighting ONLY or 30 days month if moon not sighted for other reasons BUT not calculations or not Mecca Based. This is confirmed by many respectable Islamic websites,Fatwaas, Ulemmas and Islamic organisations.

  9. Assalamo Alaikum.If we leave decisions to local masajid we will have scores of differences as our so called imams are in a way making them to be prominent by calling others kafirs as they pray in other masjid.This is an incident which happened in Calgary AB which I heard.ICNA should try to educate people for appointing as imams so that they are not like frogs of a well.Wassalam & Allah hafiz.

  10. Assalaamu Alaikum,
    As muslims, we do need to understand what is required from us. We are nothing but slaves to commands of ALLAH (SWT) and He commands us to follow His book and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
    Local Moonsighting:
    1. Who decides the boundary of local area? A municipal city, a district, a state or a country?
    2. What about USA which constitutes four time zones (5th for Alaska too)? When one sights moon in California, its almost midnight in New York? Should New Yorker wait for California to announce?
    3. If boundaries are not defined by Islam, who should?
    Global Moonsighting:
    1. Why today’s Muslims think unity is important while the history tells us during the era of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) or Sahaba Karaam; Madina and Makkah used to have two Islamic calendars?
    2. If Muslims in North America follow Saudia in the name of Global Moonsighting; why Saudia doesn’t follow others for Global Moonsighting? This year, Libya start fasting on Aug 21. Why Saudia didn’t follow or Muslims (who believe in Global Moonsighting) didn’t follow?
    3. There can’t be a single Eid in the whole world. Its just geography of the world. While people in CA sight moon, sub-continent had already done its sahar! (think about it).
    One thing I strictly oppose is astronomical calculations. To sight a moon is Sunnah and we should not forget this Sunnah.

  11. Several years ago, ISNA and ICNA agreed to have FIQH council of North America decide the announcement of Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr and Eid-ul-Adha.
    However, during that time, some of the local mosques continued to follow the local moon sighting methodology, as such continued to do it on different date.
    It is predominant in the context of the sub-continent and my personal experience dealing with some of the over zealous muslim brothers, to have this “I am a superior muslim than others” arrogance. Unless, we focus on the unity, we will continue to have this issue. To me it is extremely political and based on individual egos. In Islam, Allah is the greatest baptizer, we choose who will lead the prayer and I refuse to stand behind a person, who insight hatred, who thinks he is a superior muslim than anyone else, etc. The whole ICNA and ISNA charade is pathetic to say the least.

  12. Salam
    As I mentioned earlier there is evidence that pbuh,His Caliphs & Islamic countries celebrated according to Sunnah-local moon-sighting ONLY(not calculations,not mecca hilaal).
    I urge that all international Ulemma, scholars,Muftis must hold an a conference in Mecca/Madina as these are center-point for us. They must pass an international fatwa/ruling ‘Ijma’ that must be followed by all over the world as one Umma. They must discuss 3 options mostly followed by muslims: Local Hilaal moon-sighting(sunnah), or Calculation assist, or Mecca Hilaal as Kaaba-mecca is center-point in all regards(Islamic & Geographical).
    Remember that Allah and pbuh, made the rules for all muslims over the world from center point(Mecca-Madinah) not local muslims like ICNA,ISNA, FCNA,hilaal committees(Cheap Competition). WallahuAlam.

  13. Rasool-e-Pak (SAW)(PBUH)in his last sermon stated that
    “….Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things. ….“
    He also stated that donot bring compulsion to your religion. However, the more I study the religion by myself, the more I realize the interpretation of some of our local leaders to be convoluted and is based strictly on personal ego or bigotry against say Arab or a woman leader (case in point ISNA). In their effort to prove that they are the most learned and righteous (more self-righteous than anything else) they will follow everyone except the simple norm as to what the Prophet would have done given the situation. Our leaders will use technology for almost everything from using microphone, to internet to spread the message, but will not use technology for the purpose of determining the moon. I rest my case about the “self-righteous”, “I am a better muslim than anyone else” mentality.

  14. Assalaamu Alaikum,
    Brothers please read this and try to understand and answer. I asked this earlier and no one came up with an answer or reply!
    For those who believe Muslims should follow Saudia; Saudi clock lags to Beijing clock by 5 hrs. So you say, a Muslim in Beijing should wait until 1AM for Saudia to announce?
    For those who believe Muslims should follow local moon-sighting; who defines a local area?
    These are very valid questions and no one here seems to have an answer. Then why discuss? We don’t know a bit of Islamic knowledge and we’re saying I don’t want to pray behind a Muslim who is a hatred! C’mon, atleast that person got more knowledge and yes, he’s superior. Don’t you agree that ‘Taqwaa’ has it ‘darajaat’! And these ‘darajaat’ determine where you stand in the eyes of ALLAH (SWT). Please try to make this discussion valuable by putting down material, not your own opinions driven from your childhood stories!!! And using teachnology; yes there’s no harm. But why eating with hands is called a Sunnah! Do I need to say the rest!!!
    In the last, I would say, at-least those who try to sight moon locally are following Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PHUH). Don’t you guys agree?

  15. I think the whole ICNA, ISNA etc. are all political not based on someone being superior. It is based on individual ego. It started after the death of the Prophet (PBUH) and still continues..
    As a muslim I have the option to chose who I want to pray behind. By refusing to pray behind a person (this is in Connecticut) I am not inticing hatred, all I am saying is people like him is dividing the society and I donot want to pray behind him. I chose a jamat that is not just “Pakistani” or “arab” but of muslims of north America praying to Allah. So, you stay with your “superior” branding and let me try to submit myself to the Almighty.

  16. I am very much disappointed at ICNA’s decision about moonsighting. There should be a forum who will explain the truth and will help people to make right decision.

  17. Ass Alaikum,
    I think the whole problem is ISNA and ICNA who want to dominate the rest of Muslims in North America. First they brought the idea of moonsighting by calculation which is not based on the Koran and Sunnah. They say they want to unite the muslims and as a result muslims become more divided.
    Since the time Abdullahi Ibnu Abbas in Madina decided not to follow Mu’awa in Damascus to finish Ramadan, muslims have been fasting Ramadan according to their local moon sighting and they lived with it. Now, what is complicating this issue is a few astronomists with ISNA and ICNA who want to decide for us when we are fasting for the Almighty. The Prophet, may peace and blessing be upon him, gave us clear instructions when it comes to fasting: Fast if you see the new cresent, if not complete the month. Where is the argument? where is the Ijtihad? There mare more that 25 authentic hadiths of the Prophet may peace and blessing be upon him. But unfortunately, ISNA and ICNA do not get it. They just don’t get it. Inorder to unite the muslim stay with The Koran and Sunnah. Period.

  18. Again, let me repeat what I said in the past. About 2 years ago, ICNA and ISNA both left it on FIQH council.
    2 years ago it was not good enough for one (among few) Imam that we know. That was the last time I prayed behind him. Because he was totally against the FIQH council’s decision. Now, who started the division then? Tell me?
    Secondly, the day ISNA had a woman president, ICNA started opposing it.
    We have been on the receiving end of this type of innuendos on many occassions. This “self-righteousness” is what is ruing the fabric of unity.
    You keep focusing on “your are right and rest of the world is wrong” and I will try to stay away from people like you! This “self-righteous” leaders can’t even keep their own children in the path of Islam!

  19. And someone mentioned in prior post that in the event moon is not sighted then make Shaban 30 days. With this particual “self-proclaimed (in my honest opinion)” Imam he had gone to the extent where because he did not listen to anyone else, Shaban may have been 31 days because of his stubborness.
    Now, according to him, at least, he came across that way to me, he knows everything and rest of the muslim world know nothing. So, do we want leaders like this? Unfortunately, there will continue to be “extremist” that our beloved prophet (PBUH) had warned against in his last sermon. Unfortunately, in our local mosques they are the one with the microphones.

  20. If Rasulullah(SAWS)was present today’s date, what would be his standing about sighting the moon. He always suggested the best possible way at that time. Which way has more confusion? Sighting or Calculating? Allah has asked us to use Sun and Moon to determine our time, so why we can not use time to detrmine their position? Do we have to see the sun’s position before prayer or we just look at the clock and we know for sure where the sun is! Allah did not mean hardship on us by giving the religion, It is us who is making it harder for ourself.

  21. The ICNA, ISNA etc. are all political & Cultural organizations not based or not affiliated with the recognized religious orgs. around the world(eg. in Saudi/Asia).
    FCNA is similar too with no affiliation.
    How can these orgs make fatwas/ruling about the Islamic events without Ijma or approval of major recognized Muslim orgs of the world.????

  22. @Mohammed Kabir.. I agree with his reasoning
    @khan.. You mean to tell me the people within ICNA and ISNA and FIQH councils don’t know anything.. but you know everything? You are continously proving to me the danger of “Self-righteousness”. It is unfortunate that the religion of Peace, the religion of truth is held hostage by a select few in our local mosques. These self-righteousness is the most dangerous aspect of the religion. Again, you will have the last say, you know everything, you are superior!

  23. Assalam-o-alaykum,
    This will lead to disunity within ICNA itself. Untill now ICNA at least had an opinion (right or wrong) but now it has exposed its workers and followers to disnintegrate. In the same town and city different ICNA followers will be celebrating at different days. So where is the unity now. Another problem is that by doing so ICNA in effect is saying that they know better than what Quran and Sunnah dictates since for this kind of decision the reasoning is not Quran or Sunnah. Is the leadership of ICNA capable of understanding the effects of this decision.

  24. Salaam to all.
    I have read ICNA’s stance as well as all of the responses. Let us be clear that this issue of calculation vs moonsighting has been going on since the earliest times in Islam. Let us also be clear that sighting the moon is a sunnah not a fard. In fact, proponents for calculations quote several Quranic verses which do have merit. As such we should put it into perspective and not allow this issue to further cause disunity. It is my observation that many many people are willing to judge each other and argue with each other due to difference of opinion of hadith while not knowing much about the word of God (Quran) or the essence of our Deen.It is unfair to blame ICNA’s position on moonsighting. In the end we are all responsible for what we do and we should each do what we believe to be right.

  25. ISNA “Calculations” are basically moonset after sunset in Makkah. This does NOT imply Hilal visibility in USA Nor in Makkah and hence incorrect! Correct Calculations and Actual Sighting can go hand in hand with Calculations used to negate errors, using the brilliant Fatwa of Mufti Taqi Usmani, which requires “Jamme Ghafeer” or large number of positive witnesses for postive decision, not only in the case of clear skies but also the case of Astronomical impossibility.
    For details please see http://www.hilalsighting.org/papers/salman.pdf and beome a member of Hilal Sighting Committee of North America at http://www.hilalsighting.org website Insha’Allaah.
    May Allaah SWT guide all Ummah to Haq and Khayr. Aameen.
    Salman Shaikh, Ph.D.
    Coordinator, Hilal Sighting Committee of North America

  26. Having Ramadan and Eid on one day is a noble goal. We should embrace Eid on one day and not have 2-3 eids. Its a simple goal and lets keep it simple.
    May Allah show us the right path and guide us and not let us make things unnecessarily complicated. Ameen!

  27. Salaam alikum,
    For those who are in favor of moon sighting and argue that its Sunnah to look for the Ramadan and Eid moon, I have a simple question for them. Do they go out and look at the Sun and stars alignment for all five prayers of the day or do they have a schedule with times handed to them from from their Masjid for the whole year. If the answer is later, then they are not practicing Sunnah rather going with scientific method and using calculations. Even for the remaining year they are going with calculations and not Moon sighting….
    In my basic understanding, unity in the Muslim community is the focal point hence there is more Thawab in going to the masjid than praying at home. If we could unify over calculation method, we could go to our local governments and demand for a national holiday for Eid and Baqar-Eid. Since every part of US is starting Ramadan on different days and cannot unify on this simple issue, we cannot expect the local and federal govt. to give us a national holiday.

  28. salam my fellow muslims, this Is very easy.Allah made his deen easy and completed it 1400 ago.we all know what the prophet did when ramadan was approaching.the moon is out there for those who follow the sunnah of rasuul.

  29. وَسَخَّرَ لَكُمُ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ وَالنُّجُومُ مُسَخَّرَاتٌ بِأَمْرِهِ ۗ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِقَوْمٍ يَعْقِلُونَ
    [Sura An-Nahl Verse 12]
    He has made subject to you the Night and the Day; the Sun and the Moon; and the Stars are in subjection by His Command: verily in this are Signs for men who are wise.

  30. وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَٰكِنْ يُضِلُّ مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَيَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ ۚ وَلَتُسْأَلُنَّ عَمَّا كُنْتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ
    Sura An-nahl 93
    “If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: but He leaves straying whom He pleases and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.”
    So true even in the context of Muslim Ummah Alone

  31. Allah & Prophets are Superior not me/you & not us. May the Almighty guide us (All Muslims) & we follow Quran, Hadith and Sunnah? ICNA,ISNA and FCNA are neither affiliated to any major approved international Islamic organization nor they are branches.
    Prayer/Sawm times are SOLAR based (according to the movement of the earth in relation to the Sun). Clocks/Watches are approved by major organizations (eg: Umm Al-Qura of Saudi Arabia).
    Islamic Calendar is LUNAR based (according to the movement of the moon in relation to earth). Plus Hilaal: sighting of crescent.(Quran(10:5)(2:185),Sunnah & Caliphs of Islam(Islamic History).
    Unity is not defined any where in Islam as doing Eids together based on some organization not affiliated with other major international Islamic institute. Let us first achieve consensus of major International Scholars about this issue. WallahuAlam.
    Muslims must unite based on Quran , Sunnah and Hadiths not the innovations/inventions in Islam. We cannot fix our Eids by innovations for holiday in West as Non Muslims.
    Prophet(pbuh)said:“I have left you two things:the Book of God & my Sunnah; as long as you hold to them, you will never go astray: ”
    Please see the sites:
    Jazakallah Khair

  32. As Salaamu Alykum
    First and fore most I would like say that there is no doubt that ICNA, ISNA and MAS are profoundly known to be the three major Islamic organizations of North America. To say that they are not Islamic is being ignorant. In these organizations exist some of the most influential scholars of Islam who hold vast knowlege on the religion as complete code for life. Through organizations as such Islam is being represented to main stream America Muslims and non Muslims alike. Through them many Muslims and non Muslims have come back to Islam in record numbers and have transformed their lives to live as Muslims in a more practical sense. Therefore their contributions deserves much thanks. As far as um al Qura us concerned , they are an organization created for the Islamic propagation amongst people of Saudi Arabia abiding by the rules of the kingdom. They too if given the chance to be political would have been. The first thing they would do is remove the kingdom that goes against the fundamental system of ruling a nation according to Islam. Organizations like um al qura and rabetal islam invite brothers and sisters from ICNA ISNA MAS to join conventions all year round and vise vers. Therefore if Um al Qura did not recognize the American Islamic organiAtions would they have invited them? And vice versa. So I ask the brother to get his facts straight.
    Secondly saying that These organizations are political and not religious goes against the another fundamental belief of Islam because religion and politics are not separate. Rather politics is a part of Islam which is the religion. And if one analyzes the Quran and sunnah he or she will note that Allah swt did not give us Islam to be practiced as a religion. Which is why Allah swt says ” the only way of life acceptable to Allah is Islam.” where is the word religion in that sentence. Hence religion like wise politics are both components of Islam with all the other and neither defines Islam as a whole. Therefore These organizations are in a better possitionthan those of Saudi Arabia because they full all core component requirements necessitating them to be an Islamic organization. Where as organization like um al Qura are only fulfilling one and that is the Religious aspect.
    Last as far as the siting of the moon goes for eid, I still think that rather the organizations giving their own oppinions, they should bring to the table all the major organizations in North America
    and come to one agreement. Then only can we do Eid in a unifies manner. However that does not mean we will not have those brothers doing Eid on an exceptional day bexuase these brothers will never give up their stance no matter what. Mind you that most mosques In North America are controled by secular Muslims who for the most part have no knowledge about islam. The others are ruled by the salafis who want nothing to do with the practical life that Allah has blessed them with who like the secularist define Islam as a religion.
    Qur’an and Sunnah are guides for us to live this practicle life so that we can work in all spheres to gain after life. With out this life you can’t get the other. So stop secluding your self in the religous part but expose yourselvea to the other parts of Islam. being part of a slice of the pie will not lead you to Janna.

  33. Assalaam alaikum wa rahmatullahe wa barakatahu.
    It is very unfortunate that we are divided on the lunar months. the main reason being that we have given up the habbit of looking at the sky for the moon. No one even cares of looking at the sky for signs of the start of month even though there is 100% chance of visibility. Those are signs from Allah.
    One website of moon visibility is http://www.crescentmoonwatch.org/nextnewmoon.htm
    This should give us a probability of visibility. based on this one can look into the sky for the moon. InshaAllah this should help us all.

  34. Ramadan Mubarak! Being an American-born muslim, and having made the journey to al-Islam via the teachings of Elijah Muhammad, I find it amazing how many of us would seek to divide the Ummah! For years, and sometimes still, our brothers in the East have looked down upon us as less than righteous instead of embracing us. These organizations that everyone is speaking about were the only groups dedicated to furthering the cause and spread of Islam in the West! May Allah bless them to continue in their endeavors, and may He bless the rest of us with understanding their motives. Also, may He guide each of us to help unify, instead of divide, this Ummah!
    As Salaam Alaikum

  35. Salaams: I think, as a large organization, ICNA should stand firm on its policies and principles, and should work with other large organizations to bring unity, but without deviating from Qur’an and sunnah of the Prophet (SAW).
    According to a Hadeeth, there will be a time, when Muslims will be majority, but those who follow the Sunnah will be afew.
    In the name of Unity, are we neglecting the Hadeet about sighting the moon – complete 30 days, if it is cloudy? Whether we can see it or not; and cloudy or not, FIQH council and many others in the name of unity decided to have the Eidul Fitr on Sunday this year (2009).
    I understand and I am for unity, but not ignoring Sunnah. Can’t we have unity by following the Sunnah- let FIQH council and ISNA go for the moon sighting and ask everyone else to join them for unity??

  36. The issue is not with following Sunnah or even in The Unity because of the importance of the two. The problem is that there are many Hadeeth regarding it, that have slight difference, I know 2 hadeeth both are authentic hadeeth in which one of them specify 30 days for Sha’ban while the other state the 30 days but does not state which month it is.(Issue that there are people whom follow sighting the say that we need to see the moon,there are places in the world that moon can not be seen except after few days although the month would have already started by other Muslims, this might make conflict between Muslims).
    Question: Should sighting by the -eye only- be followed or should we use technologies and maybe calculations to determine the start of the islamic month?

  37. We, as Muslims, should unite in accordance with the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah. I think that the decision made by ICNA is very stellar. Following the Quran and Sunnah DOES NOT = lack of unity, as frequently argued. Unity amongst Muslims is more about standing together and embracing each other in good times and hard times, standing up as a community against the Fitna and accepting each other as Muslim Brothers and Sisters without clinging on to cultural and ideological barriers. Remember that the Sharia is flexible, not rigid as some unfortunately claim. May Allah grant all Muslims with His Blessings for all the good deeds performed during this wonderful month of Ramadan Kareem and Eid Mobarak to all.

  38. Assalamu Alaikum WR. I support your decision 100%, Alhamdulillah. But I have certain questions too. I agree on the name of UNITY we can not take any wrong decision “UNITY CAN NOT BE ON WRONG DECISION BASED ON WRONG OR BASELESS HADEETH”. And also regarding on Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Shah’s analysis on his book the bottomline drew the wrong conclusion that “when people gather in Arafat IS THE DAY OF ARAFAT” but if it is not on 9th ZIL HAJJ–> THAT IS WRONG. SO MOON SIGHTING IS IMPORTANT TO FIX THE DATE ” THAT IS QURAN. PERIOD”

  39. So as I UNDERSTAND this:
    IT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR UMMAH TO BE UNITED than to follow the rules laid by Almighty Allah in Quran to sight the crescent.
    IT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR UMMAH TO BE UNITED than to follow and lead by examples of Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad and ahadith where the prophet’s companion in Medina rejected the notion of Eid of a traveller as the traveller had sighted the crescent outside the city limits. I do not think the traveller was flying a jet but who knows he was really far and NOT local. Just wondering now, how long it will take a traveller to come on a camel from Ohio to DC … let alone from California to New York. So what is local???
    In a nutshell, we do not need extremists to destroy our religion. We need to be ignorant and organizations to sadly shy away from helping Muslims be educated about the requirements CLEARLY SPELLED out in Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad.
    Salam from Raza

  40. As-salaam alaikum,
    Dear Readers,
    My concern is why ICNA & ISNA can not go side by side when the moon sighting situation occurs? other wise both ICNA & ISNA announces same statement other than moon sighting. it is oblivious, all Muslims look forward to follow either organizations (ICNA &ISNA), one brother lives in Illinois celebrating Eid ul Fitr on Sunday September 20th, 2009, and the other brother lives in New York has no idea when the local Masjid would announce for eid ul Fitr? no one knows yet? because they go with ICNA. This is really looks like a joke to others who follow general Muslims. May Allah guide us to be on right path.
    Zajak Allah Khair & wishing you all Readers A vey Happy Eid ul Fitr!

  41. I heard a brother once say something beautiful.
    The prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam split the moon to unite the ummah and we split the ummah because of the same moon.
    Allah knows best whats in our hearts.
    May Allah guide us all. Ameen

  42. We are here in North America, Land where Muslims are in Minority and we should avail every oppertunity to show unity in our ranks. Celebrating Eid is one of the major oppertunity when we all need to show unity and celebrate Eid one day in North America. ICNA should work with other big North American Islamic organizations and make a decision on Eid celebration and not leave this decision on local mosques because that will NOT be helpful to muslims of North America.

  43. Mashallah ICNA is showing great signs of matured leadership and moving towards becoming more of a mainstream American organization.
    May Allah continue to bless our leaders with wisdom,knowledge and farsightedness needed to meet the needs of tomorrows challenges of Muslims in America.
    Jazzak Allahu khairan

  44. This is a Bain-ul-Iqwami Saazish (International Conspiracy) on the part of the saudis, Why is it so hard for people to understand that there can only be eid in case the moon is sighted!!! who the hell gives a rats behind about the Jahil saudi sheikh’s decision! first in 2007 they gave 55,00000 Saudi Riyal (Kafara) for announcing eid a day earlier! LOL!!! and guess what last year in 2008 The saudi ministry of hajj announced on saudi state tv that hajj was performed on the WRONGE day, HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Astagfirullah!!, but they said it’s all chill, umm try telling that to 3 million or so people who put their life savings and time and travel into performing this once in a lifetime important ritual!
    The above mentioned examples are from on the past two years, and this goes wayyyyy back brothers and sisters, so stop with this unity crap, EID is only on the day crescent is sighted in a particular area!!
    I think the only reason Saudi is declaring eid a day earlier this is because this will make 9 zill-hajj on thursday, instead of friday and we all know that hajj on friday makes it (Hajj-e-Akbar) and they don’t want a Hajj Khutba and Jummah Khutbah and Eid Khutbah LOL!!! to much work for the lazy Saudi Mullahs! LOL!
    Afsos, Allah Subhanhu in Jahilon se bachday (AMEEN)

  45. Assalaam alaikum wa rahmatullahe wa barakatahu.
    I told my son who is 12 years old that tomorrow i.e Sunday is Eid.
    He said no I said no tomorrow is Eid. He started crying and said no it is not.
    WHAT I AM SAYING is that we should make some parameters for deciding about moon.
    Parameter # 1. I would celebrate Eid when i am living in USA that if it is possible that moon can be cited in North America.I will celebrate EID.
    Parameter # 2. I would celebrate Eid when i am living in USA that if it is possible that moon can be cited in ANY PART OF WORLD.I will celebrate EID.
    Parameter # 2. I would celebrate Eid when i am living in USA that if it is possible that moon can be cited in Saudi ARABIA.I will celebrate EID.
    INNOCENT MUSLIMS THIS IS A REQUEST FROM SO CALLED MUSLIMS SCHOLARS who are also a beggar for the guidance from Allah as a Non Scholar like me is a beggar for guidance from Allah.

  46. Bissmillah hir rah ma nir raheem (start with the name of Allah, the Most Gracious and the Most Merciful. )
    As salm o alykum
    I should want to say that allah will not forgive because this is against of Quran , prophet Muhammad and sahaba.it is very shame you guys surrenders in the name of unity while allah says in quran so many time “if I want I can make you Umat a wahada but I want to test you by my orders”
    Kaleem Ibrahim

  47. It will be ideal if we could have Eid on the same day around the world. It is very desirable to have Eid on the same day in every country. It is very much possible to have Eid one the same day in the same city!
    But, celebrating Eid on different days does not disintegrate unity of Muslim Umah! Muslims, friends, and relatives living in the same city can celebrate Eid on different days and can still be Muslims, friends, and relatives – they won’t seize to be Muslims, friendships won’t break, and relations ships should not become sour due to this issue!
    I don’t want to say it is controversial, but I believe the issue of new moon sighting is not so straight forward either. I believe Islam came to make things simple and easy for faithfuls and it provides flexibility in this kind of issues!

  48. Greetings to all my Brothers & sisters,
    Now we are entering in the month of Dh-Hijja and insha-Allah Eid-al-Adha, will be on Nov 28th 2009, but there are chances to change the date as usual? because in Saudi Arabia they are celebrating Eid al Adha on Nov 27th, and naturally most of the people here in united states will follow Saudi Arabia.
    The NY City suspends alternate side parking(street cleaning)regulations for Idul-Adha from November 26 to 28, (Thu Friday Sat) and if any thing changes then, we are unable to avail the street parking benefit as usual, it happens almost every year for both Eid ul Fitr & Eid ul Adha. May Allah show us the best way to show cooperation and unite all brothers for these two Major Eids.
    Jazak Allah

  49. As-salaam alaikum,
    Dear Readers,
    Alhamdo-Lillah, this yar we are blessed Eid ul adha, on 27th November 2009, almost every where here in the United States and also in other parts of the world same day! it is very good for us to show that we are united once again. I wish to all my brothers & sisters a very Happy and blessed Eid ul adha, jazak Allah

  50. Asalaam alaikum wrwb
    The last thing we should do in this case of Iktilaaf (difference of Opinions) is to cause disunity and start blaming. Do not follow the comments of Abdullah (above)in this blog whose language and attitude is not appropriate and lacks adab.
    Instead of blaming, and having the “I’m right you are wrong mentality” we have to accept that the best opinion is following the opinion on making Eid when the Moon is sighted as per the famous Hadith; This really leads us to 2 different opinions from the same hadith, following international sighting or local sighting.
    Since unity of the Ummah is Fard, we as muslim communities should follow the opinion that would cause us to be more united. The Sahabah were so concerned about Unity that they did not bury the Prophet (SAW) for 3 days after his Death until they decided on a Leader for the Ummah. It is shame that even in “Muslim” countries, there are often multiple Eids. IN the US we have had communities do Eid on up to 3 different days. May Allah(swt)help us.
    As muslims in this country, we have to be more mature and follow the more mature opinion that would lend us to do Eid on the Day when one trustworthy muslim has sighted the moon.
    Lets take the case of the Day of Arafat. It is obvious that there can be only one day of Arafat, and thus one day of Eid al Adha. When this day is announced, it does not take long for the rest of the world to know. ANd inShallah the rest of the Muslim world follows that day.
    Thus, we should follow as such if Bidhnillah, we put aside our attitudes, and take a more mature stand.
    But whatever decision you make, do not create fitnah and fight and exult yourself in your opinion.
    Masood A.R.

  51. Assalaam-O-Alaikum,
    With due deference and respect I venture to state that I am puzzled by ICNA’s position that the Muslims residing in U.S.A. “celebrate the beginning of the month of Ramadan and Eid holidays with their local masajid, communities and Islamic centers”. If these decisions, as important as they are, are left to be decided at micro level then are we not missing the “Unity” factor here. I have two masajids close to my home and I visit each one alternately. One has decided to start Ramadan on Wednesday (August 11, 2010) while the other chose to start on Thursday (August 12, 2010). Please don’t allow such situation to emerge and compel Muslims where they must decide ‘on the toss of a coin’ at each home in the community.
    In my humble opinion the decision regarding the sighting of moon should be determined at “country-wide” level to demonstrate and promote the “Unity” factor. As a respected representative body ICNA has to take this responsibility and help guide the Muslims of USA.
    With due respects,

  52. sir,in above moon sighting passage you allowed mulims in usa that they follow the communities,now these communities folow saudi,bangla desh or other countries moon sighting.which is incorret.now a days communication in diff.parts of usa is easy,collect moon sighting reports from diff.cities and and report on web that there was or was not moon sight and that will be helpfull otherwise dont call yourself islamic center of n ammerica.

  53. I understand that:
    “the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) has decided from 2009 onwards, to guide its members and the general Muslim community to celebrate the beginning of the month of Ramadan and Eid holidays with their local masajid, communities and Islamic centers.”
    My question is, what method you follow for deciding on other Islamic months?

  54. Why shy away from an important topic. Ask Saudi Arabia on what basis they have announced the beginning of Ramadan 2010.
    Leaving up to the local Islamic centers will not lead to unification of Muslims. How will you achieve taqwa when a brother living in east part of city celebrating EID on a different day than to his very own brother living in the south part of the city.
    This is mere shame and no matter how ICNA tries to justify by propagating that they are striving for the unity of Muslims the truth is they did not want to be targeted by ISNA or SAUDI ARABIA.

  55. Ramadan Mubarak: As I read your statement about the moon sighting the most important message you are driving to is “Unity” and unfortunately we are missing that with the stated position. If we want true dawah we must show one single focus front. If we want 1-12 schools to recognizes Muslim holidays we must have our holidays on their calenders and this will not be possible if we leave it to the local communities to decide when to call for Ramadan and Eid. I believe the Muslims here want to be contributing and recognizable community. We cannot achieve this if we have ICNA level organization to shy away from driving the message to the local masajids to unite all of us in celebrating these major holidays to show the strength of our communities.

  56. I do not want to create mischief but let me be clear ICNA you people are trying to be diplomatic at one end not to dishearten your ISNA connection and the other end trying to say Oh we are adherent to the sunnat.
    Yesterday your sight did not carry this report because reasons well known to you
    Allah Knows best remember, we all have to stand before him “La Ilaha Illalla Mahummadar Rasool ullah”
    We did not recite the Kalima of culture or so called technological advancement or binding-group or organization we recited Kalima brought to us by our Nabi (SAW) and this means the winds will blow in any direction(technology, calculation, so called intellect, egotists) but our adherence to Orders of Allah and Sunnats of Nabi(SAW) will not change.
    What our intellect,intelligence and those 2 to 3 books we read in our life(written by mortals) are a lie but what Allah and his Nabi(SAW) say is the ultimate truth.We need to stop deceiving ourselves before its too late.
    Allah guide us all on the right path free of our intellect, intelligence and other deceptions we have fallen into AMEEN YA ARHAMAR-RAHIMEEN
    Forgive me if I was disrespectful to anyone knowingly or unknowingly.
    Jazakalla Khair

  57. I agree with ICNA’s decision to accommodate difference of opinion, especially when those opinions are backed with firm evidences from the Quran and sahi hadith, which in this case I believe both sides have.
    In brother Arshad’s case, I believe he should be able to follow either of the two masjids and which ever he is comfortable with.Our reward is based on our intentions, weather to strengthen a community or to weaken it. May Allah accept our good intentions and forgive for our misdeeds. Ameen

  58. Salaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah:
    I started fasting for Ramadaan 2010 on Wednesday August 11th, and follow the global sighting opinion.
    I would like to say that based on evidences, the local sighting method is also permissible.
    However, if our ultimate goal is unity then the global method would be better to follow since:
    a) Everyone would have one view point based on credible moon sightings throughout the world and would begin and end Ramadaan in Unity.
    b) If you follow the local sighting method, then this will not bring about unity for the people, for reasons similar to ICNA’s position currently.
    First of all, the local method is not limited or defined to be “in the same country” as some have said and are saying in these days. It is perfectly fine based on the evidences to be in different cities and have different start dates for Ramadaan. However, I repeat, if the ultimate goal is unity why not go based on the “OTHER” permissible opinion of Global Sighting as it would promote MORE UNITY. Unfortunately I find that the majority of the people year after year who start Ramadaan on different dates are of the south Asian decent, and even more so, have realized that this is more about them being against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia then anything else. We do not have to go with them year after year, but the fact that they are one of the only countries who makes public announcements that their information is very easily accessible to the majority of Muslims, makes those Muslims go based on their opinions. However, year after year, when they announce their start date for Ramadaan it is also backed by other countries sighting the moon as well, such as this year with Indonesia, Malaysia, most of South East Asia, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and even some African countries.
    I’m not sure how much my words would be considered, but I pray Allah opens your hearts, ears, and minds to the legitimate concerns and advise of the fellow Muslims and you make your decisions based upon what has been legislated by your Creator and His Prophet (peace be upon him.). Ameen!
    With all this said, I also pray we all benefit from the success of Ramadaan and attain Taqwa and Tawfeeq from the blessings of this beautiful Month. Ameen!!!

  59. Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam,
    The attitude of some of our self proclaimed muslim organizations is confusing and deviates from the path shown to all of us by none other then Rasoolullah (SAW) and this deviation is the main cause of division in opinion.
    It does make a sad reading to hear in one community 2 masjids starting on different days. In short this is a result of little knowledge laced with ego (I am educated, I have knowledge of deen, I am a Phd, …).
    Result, causes confusion and division in Islam and people tend to say we are worried about disunity.
    Who is supporting disunity the very people who say we are not hear to create disunity. I only go on to ask these people. Why be two-faced if something is proven from Quraan and Hadith then come forward and let us all follow it. It is so simple See the moon start fasting and see the moon stop fasting. No where has it been said go on astronomical calculations simple rubbish. The temporary relevance of Phd and Masters has corrupted us to think of deviations and is driving wedges in the ummat.
    Any organization which does not sign up to the path shown to us by Nabi(SAW) is not to be trusted.
    Nobody wants disunity and it comes from deviation from that path.
    What needs to be explained?
    If the attitude is I want to be good with group A and also Group B, unmindful of the truth, it means politics and fear of loosing support in case I incline towards one group and not the other.
    ICNA should spell out what Unity are they talking out by being coy to falsity of one group.
    Anyway these are my observations and please do give it a thought do not be scared of reduction in contributions to your organization.

  60. ICNA does not have the expertise/ability to lead the local moon sighting process and outsourcing it is also problematic. So it’s better to stay out of it, if we don’t have the proper infrastructure/talent to do the job properly then it would be a disservice to the community to continue doing it. The main purpose of ICNA is to be a dawah organization, not a fiqh council or fatwa clearing house.
    What ICNA should do is compile the start/end dates announced by major Islamic Centers across the country and list their method of determination (local sighting, global sighting, calculation.

  61. I agree with Azeem that ICNA should compile the start/end dates announced by major Islamic Centers across the country and list their method of determination (local sighting, global sighting, calculation.

  62. Assalamualaikum,
    ICNA is right in it’s decision to try to promote unity at the local level which if achieved, insha’Allah can pave way for unity at the global level. Muslim groups have been for a long time at loggerheads with each other to try to assert their superiority and force their opinion on others. This over time is becoming a matter of ego and only creating further strife and division.
    The only way out is that representatives from all groups gather together in an exercise of debate or academic discourse, adopt a particular method and then follow that universally. It should be then possible to of course challenge this opinion but not at the cost of creating a divide in practice among the Muslims.
    What ever is decided from this exercise should be made binding on everyone irrespective of the fact that some other groups may not agree upon it. And this can happen if it is shown in practice at the local level to be taken across borders for larger groups of people.
    Hope this should make some sense.
    Jazak’Allah Khair

  63. Assalam-u-Alaikum
    ICNA always been on the other side,(we are right they are wrong) why?
    They are doing a fantastic work in Dawah.
    I am a strong believer of unity.The local Islamic Center use to announce the start of Ramadan and end of Ramadan with the announcement from Saudi Arabia or Egypt, since I was one the founding member of the center which was established about 35 years ago. Because of ICNA not coming on board on unity.
    ICNA’s approach is local sighting,
    1: I agree but define what is local, North America is a very vast country.
    2: We dot follow that rule for all 12 Lunar month, why not? I can give you an example; I called ICNA’s Jamaica queens office to check when they will be Starting Ramadan because our center announced that we are starting Ramadan tomorrow, the gentle who answered the telephone said we are not make an effort to see the moon because by our calendar it is 28 Sha’bsan. Call us tomorrow after 12 midnight then we may have an answer, at that point I asked the gentleman how many actual moon sighting you do to ascertain the Calender to actual date of moon sighted for previous months. The answer was we only make an effort of moon sighting for 3 months “RAMDAN, Shawal, and Zu’lhijjah only”.
    There was another incident about 2 years ago an Imam of Masjid in Texas sighted the moon with 2 other witnesses, it was nullified with a statement that those witnesses and Imam
    were not reliable. Three Muslims sighted the moon and decision was made that they were reliable sources, why doubt an other Imam and those two Muslims. Our center from last two years has adopted the ISNA’s decision, and two local Masjids differed with them and announced that We will start Ramadan on August 12th. These 3 Muslim Center started the Ramadan on two different dates, these centers are not that far apart. Very close families live within these boundaries and they are confuse what to do and what to tell their kids and what to tell their bosses at work. This is not unifying the communities this is splitting rather tearing them apart.

  64. ASA,
    I will put this as simply as possible. Allah (swt) created only one moon that goes around the earth at a specified orbit. The moon is not, as far as I know from my basic understanding of high school Physics, is capable of playing hide and seek and suddenly shift orbit (which only tends to happen with Muslim countries only). We have great Muslim Doctors of physics and astronomy, who have and can predict with extreme accuracy with or without the aid of modern computers exactly where and when new moon will occur and exactly where it will be visible from. So lets stop acting and behaving like people who are incapable of figuring out basic astronomy calculation. We need to unite and have one EID, at least in the USA.

  65. Calculations/Ittehadul Matalle(Crescent in one country for worldwide)have never been accepted by Imams, Qualified International Scholars).Till they make decision otherwise we must have to follow Quran /Suhhah(Hadiths:
    Quran 33:36. “It is not fit for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and Messenger has indeed strayed in a plain manner.” (33:36)
    Quran 4:80 ‘He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allah’
    Hadith: “He who does not follow my tradition (in religion), is not from me (not one of my followers).” Al-Bukhari and Muslim
    Qur’an 59:7 ….and whatsoever the Messenger (pbuh) gives you, take it….”
    If you obey your locals ignore the above
    Quran 6:116 “And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah’s path”
    Quran (5:2): O you who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the Symbols of Allâh, nor of the Sacred Month…seeking the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord. Help you one another in Al-Birr and At-Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is Severe in punishment.
    Quran (6:159). “Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (Prophet) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah …”
    Quran (26:83): “O my Sustainer! Endow me with the ability to judge [between right and wrong], and make me one with the righteous”.
    May Allah give us Taufeeq and Wisdom to follow / Taqleed of Allah’s Quran and Sunnah of our Prophet (sas) blindly without any changes? AAMEEN.

  66. Br.Abdel Rehman, AA
    1) Every Muslim must be a believer and work for Unity as One Ummah based on Taqleed of Quran and Sunnah/Hadiths but not innovations.
    Quran (23:52) “….And, verily, this community of yours is one single community, since I am the Sustainer of you all: remain, then, conscious of Me……
    2) UNITY:Please do not confuse with emotions of unity. Unity is not defined anywhere in Islam such as doing Islamic rituals/Eids together based on some person’ view/opinion lacking enough evidence from Islam. Some one calls you at one platform but wants you to leave Quran & SUNNAH, Is this unity??
    3)Calculations and Ittehadul Matalee have never been approved by Prophet, Caliphs, Early Muslim generations
    (Salafs) or any qualified Int’l Scholars. Fatwa/opinion can be taken from a single scholar for our personal issues, But consensus of Scholars required for a community/Ummah issue. Quran 6:116 “And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah’s path”
    Quran (9:37): about deliberate attempts to alter the months.
    Quran (3:159) “… O Prophet… And take counsel with them in all matters of public concern of moment”.
    Quran (42:38) “…who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation….”
    Quran (33:36) “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”
    3)Yes we do not follow crescent for all lunar months except the blessed months-Muharram, Ramadan, Shawwal and Dhul Hijjah, because it is Islamic tradition since our Prophet.
    Quran (9:36) ……This is the perfect religion; you shall not wrong your souls during the Sacred Months….
    I like to stop here with
    Quran (32:9) “… And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding)”
    and beautiful Dua from
    Quran (26:83): “O my Sustainer! Endow me with the ability to judge [between right and wrong], and make me one with the righteous”.
    May the Almighty guide us (All Muslims) on the basis of Quran, Hadith and Sunnah?

  67. ICNA: Please do not say about first days of the luner months. Just say” Our function is not moon sighting and calculation. For the sake of UNITY of Muslim Ummah,we refrain from any comment.”

  68. Actually in contrary to many comments, I agree with ICNA totally to leave it to their local communities. Its very easy to say ICNA should take the responsibility and unity and other things but in reality its not that simple.
    Let me try to explain what I am trying to say:
    1. Even if ICNA takes this responsibility (what they did in past)not all of us will be happy then some other people will come and comment that ICNA should not be involved in these kind of things and it actually breaks harmony within local communities. So its not easy to make every one happy.
    2. If ICNA decides Local moon sighting then people who follow global will not like it and vise versa. More over Local and global has many definitions, so which local if local moon sighting option is choosed (Local means Northa America, USA only, Solar Time zones, Lunar time zones etc etc)
    3. Unity? Its a good thing, isn’t it? But there are many dimensions to it. Even If we all pray EID on same day (hypothetically) we still cant call it a unity because as soon as we are done with EID, every masjid becomes an independent state again. Most of the masaajid unfortunately have no connection to each other. Every masjid has its own rules and regulation and no one is ready to compromise on it. So unity of one day and disunity of 364 days can not be called UNITY. This is just a satisfaction to our heart for a few moments and nothing else.
    4. If ICNA announce any method for moon sighitng then just think what happens in our local communities. I have seen brothers disputing and one going to one masjid and other going to other masjid the next day. They are going to do the same even if ICNA announce any one method. Guess who gets the blame? Its ICNA. Only one group may coincide with ICNA but all the rest will be saying things against ICNA’s method. This way ICNA looses respect and are in lost in general regarding other good projects.
    I hope I was able to explain a little bit what I felt. I apologize if it has caused any inconvenience to any one.
    Secondly these are mere my thoughts, just ignore it if you think I am wrong on this one. But do pray for me as I need it all the time.
    Jazak Allah O Kahiran for your time anyway.

  69. I think now days ICNA objective is to provide group discounts of Six Flag and other Amusement Park only.
    My suggestion to them is to stop copying ISNA and merge with them for the sake of so called “UNITY”. Please stop further confusion among Muslim by changing their organization name to ” Islamic Entertainment of America”

  70. A.A Brothers and Sisters. I agree with most of the comments, if people themselves have to decide whether or not islamic laws and occaisions to be occured, then whats the need of those so called non profit organizations. I logged in to see what ICNA has to say about moon sighting but in future I am not going to this website. SIX FLAGS make more money ICNA…next time people will make their own fatwas which they would like according to their will

  71. As Salaamu Alykum
    I would like to ask the brothers and sisters one question. That isnon what basis do you pray zuhur, asr, maghrib, Isha, and fajr. Do you follow the litteral version of the sunnah or do you follow the goal that the sunnah is trying to achieve. Because if you follow it litterly then for every prayer you would have to look at the sky and see what possition the sun is in. However no one does that. Not even those brothers and sisters who think using scientific advancement for Islam is haram. Well in the case of the moon sighting for the month of Ramadan if we look at it in a literal sence, what the hadith is telling us to do is to decide when the month of Ramada starts and ends. The second part is telling us to decide that by sighting the moon. So the goal of the Hadith is to start and end the month of Ramadan by citing the moon or crescent if want to get technical. Well since we do not complain to use scientific calculation to determin when we should pray, know the times given are a fact mabe difer by 1 or 2 minutes. Then why shouldn’t we use scientific calculations to do eid. The calculation is more accurate then what people see with their own eyes. Now some might say well the prophet pbu said that well Two people have to see it. Well I think we have enough muslim scientist that can make the decission as to when the moon is going to apear or not apear. If we can calculate the movement of the sun to know for a fact when and where what state it’s going to be for a fact, science has advanced to the point that it can be done for every planet including the moon. I urge everyone to stop arguing over madhabs and fique that was and is suitable for certain people of certain places and time. Let us not just look at thr Hadith in a literal sence only but look at is scienses and , what is thr goal of thr sunnah and what is it trying to achieve. Surly if thr prophet pbuh wa alive today he would of not asked for two people to see it, he would have taking thr easier step. He also would not have asked people to look at the sun to know when it was time for prayer. Oh and lastly the thr prophet pbuh has asked for two people to see the moon emphasizing accuracy. He could have only asked for one person to see it. Therefore science is more accurate in this case. We must remember that everything in this world is given to us by Allah for it to be utilized by us in a halal matter so that it can bennefit us . Technology and sciene wether advanced by Muslims or non Muslims should be used for Islam. Hope I tried to share some light in rgards to this matter. May Allah accept all our efforts. I believe all thr organizations should take this stance. Becaus if they do then all the masajids will follow along. We will then be united.
    As Salaamu Alykum

  72. ICNA as the name implies should take charge in declaring the schedule for Ramadan and Eid and other Muslim Holidays.
    1. The Vision: a growing and unified muslim community may earn a national Holiday in the USA and Canada, but not if each and everyone is left to come up with his own agenda.
    2. The Leadership: ICNA further establishes its leadership position within the north american muslim society. There maybe times when various localities who lack the resources of ICNA would need guidance, at least they would be familiar and comfortable to refer to ICNA to for leadership.

  73. ICNA should have remained shut instead of what they have said. This will only cause disunity to this great and holy celebration. Please follow the instructions of ISNA. My best wishes to my Muslim brothers and sisters.

  74. Please guide us in a way that all umma is united.
    With what you have done is wash hand from your responsibility. We were already divided and now even more.
    I think we all should follow ISNA which has more educated members and unites us all.
    Stop this madness of divide and rule

  75. We expect ICNA to uphold the ideals of Islam and establish a national Hilal sighting committee for the benefit of its members.
    ICNA, we expect more from you. Stop wasting money on progressive interfaith ideas. Hold on tight to the Quran & Sunnah!

  76. Dear Brothers,
    Please find reasons for unity, donot find small reasons for commotion and disunity.
    Your fastings and prayers are accepted by your niyah, if it was a day early or late, Allah Kareem.
    stop this argument and be prudent

  77. ramadan is a month in the islamic calendar. is there this much controversy on the start date/end date for other months? this is not a rhetorical question. it demands an answer.

  78. Assalamu Alaikum, I’m a revert to Islam for the past 11 years. Talk about being confused. Astaghfrullah, I can not believe that Muslims in the USA are fasting all different times. I think someone has to step up and take control. I think the best way to do this is to decide first who we are ALL going to follow; for instance if Saudia calls the sighting of the moon, being that Mecca is there we should all agree to follow them. Case closed, Not that difficult.

  79. The number of responses on the issue of Moon Sighting confirms the reason why the Muslim ummah is where they are today.
    Stuck in mundane rituals like ensuring
    1) Hands and feet are washed in accordance.
    2) Tootpaste does not have any haram ingredients.
    3) Meat has to be bought at a halal buthcer shop.
    4) Jammat lines are straight.
    5) Can’t do Eid unless…
    6) Pant hem lines need to be above ankles.
    Give me a break…No?
    And thanks to MFK for pointing to Dr. Louay Safi article. He needs divert his intelligent neurons towards more value added initiatives.

  80. Some of the comments here are very strange. These people keep on cutting and pasting Quran and Ahadith to suit their own interpretations referring to salaf etc misguiding the Ummah. The salaf they seem to be following are probably those that caused fitnas in the Ummah and not the real noble salaf. Let me tell you guys something, There is no harm in compromise – ITS SUNNAH – with others especially in whose country you are living in….!
    @Those who keep pasting the Ahadith and talk tough about being non compromsing clearly forget the Hudabiyah Truce, where according to majority of muslims present specifically the 2dn Caliph Umer bin Al Khattab as per history, who objected to it strongly and protested that the conditions were demeaning to muslims, but Nabi (PBUH) went along with the Truce. Suhail, from Quraish side even objected to Ali bin Abi Talib mentioning Muhamand the – Messanger of Allah – in the truce document, our noble Nabi (pbuh) ordered Ali to delete the “Messanger of Allah” portion to make Quraish happy. HE (pbuh) COMPROMISED. Allah proved all the muslims who were doubters wrong and called this treaty a great success for Islam in Quran. The details are on this link:
    @So those of you muslims with Superiority complexes, who donot want to live with neither other muslims and/or non muslims with mutual respect and harmony,
    @those of you who do not want to compromise as per Sunnah but want to dictate,
    @donot want to give and take but just take take and take, well then go back to your original countries and live there with your complexes.
    @Why do you want to come to a tolerant country where everyone lives with mutual respect and compromise and destroy that enviornment for the rest of us who want our children to be respected and be given equal rights.
    @I want my children to grow up respecting ALL, and ALL means ALL, not only every sect of Islam but also people of book with secure and proud in their own Islamic faith which is tolerant towards others and not source of evil and full of fatwas of hate, murder and destruction towards others becasue they consider themselves to be correct and consider everyone else to be wrong and hence either wajib-ul-qatal or to be corrected by force.

  81. Dear brothers in Islam
    1)Eids and Islamic months are based on Moon Sighting(Fiqh: whether IttehadulMatalee/ global first moonsighting or Ikhtelaful Matalee/local moon sighting),Says in Quran, in Hadiths and it is Sunnah practised by Caliphs,Early Muslims-Salafs and Late Muslims-Khalafs).PERIOD.
    2) There is no evidence in Quran, in Hadiths or any Fatwas of any Qualified Scholars that say to follow Astronomical calculations or to follow Saudis announcements. PERIOD.

  82. There is nothing wrong with astronomical calculation of Islamic calender. Allah has given humans knowledge and means to understand the natural phenomena of stars and moon. And Islam is all about getting and using education and using it for the best of humanity.

  83. What will you do if the power went out, phone/cell phones went out and you had no way to communicate with others the days before Ramadan. When would you start the fast?
    Whatever your answer is this is what you should do.

  84. What is wrong with us? Why we cannot decide this in advance? Given the advances in Astronomy we should be able to make this decision in few years in advance.

  85. Fast when you see the crescent. If it is obscured to you, then complete thirty days of Sha’baan. And break your fast when you see the crescent. If it is obscured to you then fast thirty days, [transmitted by al-Bukhaaree and Muslim].
    The true Muslim in any time period is the one who follows the Qur’aan and the authentic Sunnah upon the understanding of the Companions of the Messenger of Allaah, peace be upon him, and the scholars who have followed their way and will follow their way until the Day of Judgment.

  86. Imam Bukhari reported in his Sahih through a different chain of narrators on the authority of Abdullah bin Omar, may Allah be pleased with both, that the Prophet, Allah’s mercy and peace be with him, said: “The month is twenty nine days, so do not fast UNTIL YOU SEE IT [the crescent], but if it was obscured from you, (only) then complete your count to thirty.”
    Bukhari and Muslim reported in their Sahihs on the authority of Abdullah bin Omar, may Allah be pleased with both, that the Prophet, Allah’s mercy and peace be with him, said: Do not fast UNTIL YOU SEE the crescent and do not end your fast UNTIL YOU SEE it, but if it was obscured from you, (only) then estimate for it.”
    The Prophet also shared with his companions his specific directive to rely on physical moon sighting (as opposed to calculations). In a hadith that was reported by Bukhari and Muslim on the authority of Abdullah bin Omar, the Prophet, Allah’s mercy and peace be with him, said:
    “We are illiterate community. We do not write or calculate; a month is this much and this much,” indicating with his fingers 29 days once and 30 days once.
    Al-Sarakhsi, a leading Hanafi jurist, argued against calculation on the basis that it was done by an astrologists and fortunetellers:
    Among them those who say: we should consult with the people of calculation (hisab) when we are uncertain [about the birth of the new crescent]. This is a far cry because the Prophet, Allah’s mercy and peace be with him, said: “whoever consults with a magician or fortuneteller and believed them in what they said, he has rejected what was revealed to Muhammad.”

  87. Has any one seen the moon or tried to see it. How many times does one see the moon in the USA? you can write tons of things from Quraan. Does anyone here know what it means

  88. I just read from various websites on the internet that Saudi Arabia,United Arab Emirates, and other Islamic countries have announced the sighting of the moon and as such have confirmed Tuesday as the day for Eid.
    Eid mubarak to all and sundry.May Allah continue to guide,protect, and bless us now and forever

  89. I disagree with ICNA’s stance. It is unacceptable that they would allow the communities to do it anyway they so choose b/c IMO they are tired of correcting them.

  90. I am happy that ICNA stepped down and allows local mosques to dictate moon sightings. Their authority would supersede the authority of a local mosque to disagree with a moon-sighting or calculation. To each their own and I like the decentralized aspect of Islam. After all it is really a relationship between Allah and ourselves.

  91. I have three questions. I hope someone can answer them:
    1. What does moon sight-ability has to do with fasting, piety, Muslims or Islam?
    2. What people in the world have more blind leading the blind?
    3. Which God intervenes making moon visible or invisible to a small group of select people only two times a year – one at the start and the other at the end of Ramadan?

  92. I don’t understand how you(ICNA) call yourself muslim organization for all Muslim in America and when all Muslim are looking toward you for important decisions you turn around and hide under the table. You people are the biggest FITNA which keeping muslims not being one in this country. I will never send $1 to you or any of these fitna organization rather i will donate it to people directly who need them and make sure I let other muslims know as well.
    Go ahead and do your interfaith and hanging out with kafir thing.
    “very disappointed”

  93. I believe the moon sighting at old times was to confirm the end of Ramadan beyond any doubts. But with so many scientific gadgets available online these days sticking to the old ways doesn’t make much sense. I just checked the Google moon using my current location which clearly shows 2% of the new moon as of now. i.e. August 30, 2011 2:45 am. Is this not enough proof of moon sighting??. Please wake up and show unity at least at one prestigious front.

  94. To my brother who mentioned that moon is 2%>>> please do some research before mentioning on these websites and confusing others. The sunset today was later then moonset so despite the new moon being present it couldnt be seen.Before bullshiting use all the scientific gadgets present 😉

  95. As Salaamu Aalaykum,
    its not the end of the world, some of us will have a shorter Ramadan and others will have a longer Ramadan. The world wont implode.
    But for those using such foul language to get their message across take a minute to reflect on what you have learned this Ramadan and if this behavior is befitting of a Muslim.
    Making the Angels Write Down Curse Words – Kamal El-Mekki
    Wa Salaam

  96. Our heartfelt sympathies to the moon-worshippers of the world who looked and looked but couldn’t find it at least in their sky last night. Be not disheartened, you will find it somewhere tonight, iA.
    Our sincere advice to the rejecters of the moon-worshipping faith, please do find room in your heart to see that moon comes through stages. It is regional, it cannot be seen globally in exactly the same phase and at the same time, no matter how much they would wish it to be.
    Our heartfelt felicitations to the rejecters of both faiths – for believing in One God, One World, One Humanity and One Global Community of Muslims. Maybe one day there would be One Faith to guides us all.
    Dire warnings of severe consequences to the leaders of both faiths, if they do not shape up they will be shipped out for sure. If they do not desist using God’s given senses and intelligence, and continue to sow the seeds of discord and division, may the wrath of Allah be upon them both.
    And to those who are only here for the ride, who sit on the fences or think it is all in fun and games – no accountability here or reckoning in the hereafter …… the same to you too.
    While Christians give light to the world to see in darkness, the Jews give hospitals and procedures to cure blindness and even the Hindus pretend they have the third eye of wisdom to see the unseen, Muslims of the world argue amongst themselves as to who is more blind than the other.

  97. Brothers,
    Please don’t imitate Islam like as Christians. The ordains coming from Vatican, Christians oblige to them. We are not supposed to follow Saudi Arabia. Who are they? Is prophet still controlling Saudi Arabia or the US puppets are there? Plus Prophet (PBUH) had never ever mentioned to anywhere to follow Saudi Arabia to celebrate Islamic rituals. Prophet (PBUH) revealed Islam 1400 years ago which is everlasting and a complete solution. He revealed Islam in such a way that if someone is totally disconnected from the rest of the world but the Quran and Hadith is with him, enough for Siratul Mustaqim.
    So, my point is: Let us follow his guidelines whatever he said and what is there in the holy Quran. Please consult to a Mufti (who does not have lust for any worldly matters) regarding any Mas’ala and be stick to that.
    Inshallah Allah SWT will guide us in the right path.

  98. The way Allah swt setup this system, new moon (technical or visible) can never be at the same time or same day everywhere in the world. So what ICNA decided is perfectly legitimate and valid. Unite at the local level and decide as ahead of time as you can based on local sunset / moonset times so people can plan easily.

  99. I have a comment(question as well) on moon sighting and begining of Ramadan and Eid. My friends from (almost) every where of USA and Canada told me “Eid Mubarak” today (Aug 30th). I said them that I am fasting because our local mosque has decided to complete 30 days of fasting as moon was not sighted in North America.Eevery year we get the same problem regarding Ramadan and Eid. My question is: Prophet (PBUH) asked to see moon sight for Ramadan and Eid. Doesn’t it imply the condition that new moon must be there (whether we see it or not for cloud or any other reasons)? Moon must be there otherwise we cannot see the moon and thus without the existence of moon we cannot begin Ramadan or celibrate Eid. If the existence of moon is the condition of begining of Ramadan and Eid then why can’t we decide what should be actual first day of Shawwal month and thus the day of Eid? Regardless we see or not moon follows its natural way as detemined by Allah to circle it orbit? Why can’t our Muslim religious leaders of North America agree on this?

  100. May Allah sbt guide us to be on right path of Islam,and give us power of unity.
    This is absurd that we divided on the major events like EID.If we not learning
    & didn’t learn being Muslim living in USA we are totally lost.

  101. Salaam & Eid Mubarak to all Muslims whether they are celebrating on Tuesday or Wednesday. We’re all still Muslim and remain undivided despite such disagreements.
    To those, who rightly insist on going by moon-sighting, I invite them also to consider the following: when moon had been sighted, Prophet (SAW) ordered horsemen to race towards neighboring communities to inform that moon has been sighted for Ramadan or Eid. The neighboring communities accepted the news of authenticated new moon-sighting.
    Their limitation was speed of horses, but the intent was there to include as many communities as they could even if others did not see the moon.
    Had there been phone or website available those days, they would let the entire world community know that moon has been sighted. And, they porobably would make moon-sighting a global decision, not local.
    In today’s world, with the help of Internet and electronic communication, when we have valid evidence from a community that moon has been sighted, all Muslims of the world can start the new month.
    Last issue we need to settle is whether we estimate birth of moon, or go by moon sighting every new month.
    New month beginning should be decided at global level, not local level. Otherwise, how do we establish a global Islamic calendar?

  102. I totally agree with Br Arif.
    Allah-swt orders to Obey Allah and Obey Prophet in many verses.
    The sahih Hadith COMMANDS ‘SEE and FAST” SEE and Break the FAST”or “Complete 30 DAYS”
    Sahih Sunnah: Abu `Umair bin Anas said on the authority of his paternal uncles, who were companions of the Prophet (sas):”Some men came riding to the Prophet (sas) and testified that they had sighted the Hilaal the previous day. Prophet (sas) therefore commanded the people to break the fast and to go out to their place of prayer in the morning. “(Ahmad, ibn maja nasaee, Abu Daud).Prophet(s) accepted the testimony from those who were not local or was traveling.
    This is in the Fiqhs of all /at least 3 imams: Hanafees, Malik and Hambal. All Imams professed that, ‘if you find something I said or do to be contradictory to Quran/Sunnah, and then leave what I say’ (Imam Shafai ?Iktilaf -ul Matali).
    This is the opinion of the many authentic and qualified Scholars. Many of them are against using the calculations; But they gave fatwas and said the first moon crescent sighted anywhere in the world- should be the Universal and determine beginning of Islamic month for all countries in the world including the KSA and not otherwise.
    European Council for Fatwa and Research Statement (ECFR)
    Determining the Start of the Month of Shawal based on these conditions and the decision passed by the International Fiqh Academy, resolution number 18, during its third assembly in 1986.

  103. Earlier, there was a conflict with ISNA regarding declaration of Ramadan or Eid. Now, ICNA has got out of it. In reality, the individual mosjids used to take their own decision regardless of ICNA decistion. By this decision ICNA has come to a top ranking leadership organization. It is now the forum of all groups, moonsighting, calculation, local, global.

  104. We as Muslims in america are totally lost,or we are trapped in the web of shaitan.I am not taliking about the problem of Ramadan or Eid that all the time we can’t figure it out which day is our Ramadan,but I am taliking about our routin daily prayer in our Masajids that facing towrds LONDON not MECCA. Who is going to solve that? Why North/East direction has become the main Qibllah (LONDON) for American Muslims.This is a 4 th grader geography that Mecca is East/South-east of USA& CANADA. Where this methode of “SHORTEST DISTANCE”came from which is totally against the Quran, and most of the Schollars ignoring the Quran which is (SHIRK, BEDHAT)to change the Direction to Distance.Allah(ST) say; face to the dirction toward Mecca from where you are, we say;to the “SHORTEST DISTANCE TO MECCA.Asteghferoullah thay are talking above Allah(ST).Ask any geographer about “DIRECTION TO MECCA not DISTANCE they will tell you North/East is based on distance, and Eastsouth-east is based on “DIRECTION.One of the Faraiez and requirement of salat is correct qibllah directio, and if the Qiblah is incirrect your salat is invalid…Plus why we don’t care about the methode of Rasulullah(SW)to find the correct qibllah for USA & CANADA.If the Qiblah of North America is NOERTH/EAST than what is the Qibllah of SOUTH AMERICA? How come both places have the same qibllah of North/East? very funny & childish.How abouth South Africa their Qiblah is also North/East. Is North America moved closer to South Afric????

  105. Basing moon sightings on calculations is NOT permissible. Sadly we have made it difficult. The Sunnah is easy. FOLLOW it. The whole point of moon sighting is to actually SIGHT it. If you see it then fast. If not, then finish 30 days of sha’baan and fast the next day. ABANDON this astronomical calculations business. The scholars (salaf) and the scholars are of unanimous agreement that it is not permissible. SubhanAllaah. Dont go against the Sunnah.

  106. Misleading the ummat is what your organization is upto.When Rasoolullah (SAW) has very clearly asked us to start and stop fasting on seeing the moon.ICNA has started something which is based on the the decision of some Half cooked scholars.These scholars of yours in reality are orators who keep mouthing the names of Allah and Rasoolullah (SAW) to convince the muslims and accommodate the duniya in deen.ICNA has had different arguments at different times sometimes follow Saudi sometimes follow technology which is defective. After reading 2 books and standing and reading from cards doesn’t make people Fuqaha and scholars.Sunnat of Rasoolullah (SAW) is what is going to prevail and define success not the religion of convenience that you are preaching.Unity is in following Sunnat not in innovations of ICNA kind I say ICNA is in other words creating FITNA. Follow the local Mosque means ICNA patrons. May Allah Ta’ala Guide us on the Right path AMEEN

  107. I totally agree with the comments of the brother/sister from Manhattan on the ICNA position on moon-sighting for the beginning of Ramadhan 2013. ISNA’s stand was very clear that they used “calculations” on deciding the beginning of every lunar month. But what ICNA had been doing on this issue should be termed as “disservice” to the pious community who just want to protect themselves and their family from all the evil advices of Shaitan in this country. It reminds me one thing to fully comprehend why Allah did mention in the holy qur’an about the wrongdoings of the Jews. What the Muslins of America are doing right now can be attributed to the similar activities of the Jews.

  108. Local Masjids and community centers rely on organisations like ICNA for thier approach on moon-sighting. Your stance is political and you are trying to refrain yourselves from any criticism. Yor are doing more harm to people then any good.

  109. The first thing we need to understand is that unity of Muslims is fard (mandatory) while moon sighting is sunnah, which makes it second compared to unity.
    As someone put a link to a video (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=139980792754963) by Shaikh Ash Shareef, why does each Masjid (nowadays each person) have to decide on this issue? It is total anarchy and rebellion everywhere. Nobody follows anybody on this issue. Everybody is king. So what do you expect?
    Make one organization/committee in the country responsible for the job and follow it regardless of its decision.
    Now regarding the moonsighting, everyone should watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLgpje6nN78.
    I have debated with many about how we have restricted our Hijri calendar to fatsing and eid while we totally depend on Gregorian calendar for everything else. You should read this:https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=6377520662061371384#editor/target=post;postID=6246224570136773431;onPublishedMenu=overview;onClosedMenu=overview;postNum=0;src=postname

  110. This is in response to Fridoon from Sacramento who questioned the qibla direction.
    He can solve his question by downloading Google Earth, and drawing a line from Makkah to Sacramento. The line will give him the qibla direction.


  112. You can never go wrong if you hold on to the Qur’an and Sunnah of Muhammad(pbuh)in moon sighting or any other matters of Islam. This deen has already been perfected over 1400 years ago with NO need for additions or subtractions.
    Technology will come and go as many great empires came and perished but the Qur’an and sunnah of the prophet(pbuh) will endure till the day of judgment.

  113. Dear ICNA members day of judgment we will take you all court of Allah subhanallah talaha . You are denying of Hadith and Quran about moonsighting . Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) when you see moon then fast or do not see the moon do not fast dr naik give Hadith and Quran detail . Please do not misguide Muslims . Go right way announce now.jazakallah

  114. Dear ICNA members day of judgment we will take you all court of Allah subhanallah talaha . You are denying of Hadith and Quran about moonsighting . Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) when you see moon then fast or do not see the moon do not fast dr naik give Hadith and Quran detail . Please do not misguide Muslims . Go right way announce now.jazakallah

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